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Submitted by Mordechai Landau

Information Picture Question
Category: Translation - Polish
Approval Date: 9/2/2026 7:02 PM
Family Surname: Landau
Country: Poland
Town: Hrubieszów
Date of Image: 1845
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#15 I’m looking for any information contained here. It’s a death certificate of someone landau. Not sure the name. Any mention of parents or other towns…
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9/7/2026 3:09 PM I have run Art 15 past 2 AI engines: There were some slight difference in output but here is a consolidated "view" ..(there may be inconsistencies !!)

Diplomatic Transcription (Polish, as written)

*(Reproducing the manuscript's spelling and phrasing as closely as legible; uncertain letters marked with [?])*

```
Art 15.

Działo się w Mieście Hrubieszowie dnia dziesiątego Marca tysiąc ośmset
czterdziestego piątego roku o godzinie drugiej po południu stawili się Starozakonny
Nuchim Bryż [?] lat pięćdziesiąt ośm i Starozakonny
Szmul Zaum Kramarz lat trzydzieści cztery liczący obydwa w Hrubieszowie
zamieszkali i oświadczyli że w dniu ósmym bieżącego miesiąca i roku o godzinie
dwunastej w południe umarła Starozakonna Marya z Minzów Landa lat czterdzieści
dwa mająca w Turkowicach córka Starozakonnych Leyby i Maryi małżonków
Minz z Hrubieszowa zostawiwszy po sobie owdowiałego męża Starozakonnego
Moszka Landę szynkarza w Turkowicach — po przekonaniu się o
zejściu Landy Akt ten stawającym odczytany i przez Nuchima Bryża
podpisany został zaś Szmul Zaum pisać nie umie. —

Nuchim Bryż
[podpis hebrajski]

Urzędnik Stanu Cywilnego wyznań Niechrześciańskich
Stanisław Wolski
```

**Transcription notes:**
- The occupation term following "Nuchim Bryż" is not cleanly legible in the cursive and is left marked `[?]` rather than guessed at with false confidence.
- The surname "Bryż" is the most probable reading, but the final letters are ambiguous and could alternatively be read as "Bryk" or "Bryks."
- Orthographic forms like "ośmset" (for "ośmset"/eight-hundred), "Starozakonny/-a" (Jewish faith designation), and "Landę" (accusative of Landa) reflect standard 19th-century Congress Poland civil-record Polish, not modern spelling.

Literal Polish Administrative Translation (AI Tool 1)

**No. 15.**

This took place in the town of Hrubieszów, on the tenth day of March, one thousand eight hundred and forty-five, at two o'clock in the afternoon.

There appeared the person of the Jewish faith Nuchim Bryż, [occupation not clearly legible], aged fifty-eight years, and the person of the Jewish faith Szmul Zaum, shopkeeper (*kramarz*), aged thirty-four years, both residing in Hrubieszów, and they declared that on the eighth day of the current month and year, at twelve o'clock noon, there died the person of the Jewish faith Marya, née Minc, [wife of] Landa, aged forty-two years, residing in Turkowice, daughter of the Jewish spouses Leyba and Marya Minc of Hrubieszów, leaving behind her widowed husband, the person of the Jewish faith Moszek Landa, innkeeper [?] in Turkowice.

Having satisfied themselves as to the death of [Marya] Landa, this Act was read aloud to those present, and was signed by Nuchim Bryż; Szmul Zaum declared that he does not know how to write.

*[signed]* Nuchim Bryż
*[Hebrew-script mark beneath signature]*

Civil Registry Official for Non-Christian Confessions
Stanisław Wolski

Alternative Translation (AI Tools 2) follows in subsequent post....
9/7/2026 3:19 PM continuing ....

Alternate Translation

### 2. Literal Polish Administrative Translation

**15.** It took place in the Town of Hrubieszów on the tenth day of March in the year one thousand eight hundred forty-five at the hour of two in the afternoon. There appeared the Old-Testament-Followers Nuchim Brik, a miller, fifty-eight years old, and Szuja Szulim Krawiec, thirty-four years old, both residing in Hrubieszów, and declared that on the eighth day of the current month and year at twelve o'clock noon, there died the Old-Testament-Follower Marja, born Mink, Lande, sixty-two years old [?], from Turkowice, daughter of the Old-Testament-Followers Lejba and Małka, the married couple Mink from Hrubieszów; leaving behind her widowed husband, the late Old-Testament-Follower Moszek Lande, a leaseholder in Turkowice. — After visually verifying the death of Lande, this act was read aloud to the declarants and signed by Nuchim Brik; whereas Szuja Szulim cannot write. —

*(Signatures)*
Nuchim Brik
[Hebrew signature / Mark]
Civil Registrar of Non-Christian Denominations: Stanisław Wolski

Prosopographical Breakdown

**A. What the document(s) explicitly state**

Deceased
- Marya/Marja, née **Minc/Mink**, married name **Landa/Lande*.
"Starozakonna" (Jewish faith).
- Age at death: 42 years old.
-Origin/Residence:** Originating/associated with Turkowice (*z Turkowic*);
- Died: 8 March 1845, 12 noon.

Deceased's parents
- Daughter of **Leyba (Lejb) Minc** and his wife **Marya Minc**,
- Starozakonni, (Followers of the Old Testament)
- Residence: from Hrubieszów (*z Hrubieszowa*).
NB the mother's own maiden name is *not* given — she is identified only as "Marya, wife of Leyba Minc.") |

Deceased's husband
- Moszek Landa/Lande, (decesaed)
- Starozakonny (Jewish)"
innkeeper/tavern-keeper (*szynkarz*) in **Turkowice**; Alternate reading : Recorded as a *pachtarz* (leaseholder/tenant farmer) in Turkowice
NB Explicitly described as left a widower ("owdowiały") by her death.|

Witness 1
- Nuchim Bryż** *(surname uncertain — possibly Bryks/Bryk/Brik)
- Starozakonny,"
- occupation not clearly legible, (*Męcarz* (miller/flour merchant).
- Age: 58 years old,
- Residence: Hrubieszów.
- Literacy signed the act : Literate (signed in Polish and Hebrew script).

Witness 2
- Szmul Zaum , (Szuja Szulim Krawiec)
- Starozakonny, (Jewish)
- *kramarz* (shopkeeper), ????
- Age: 34 years old,
- Residence: Hrubieszów.
- Literacy illiterate- (explicitly noted as unable to write).
("pisać nie umie"); did not sign. |

Official
- Stanisław Wolski*
- Civil Registrar Official for Non-Christian Confessions
("Urzędnik Stanu Cywilnego wyznań Niechrześcijańskich"), Hrubieszów.

Registration Event:czterdzieści dwa
- Place: Hrubieszów,
- Date: March 10, 1845, at 2:00 PM.
NB: two days after death, by the two witnesses, based on their own knowledge ("po przekonaniu się o zejściu"). |

coninues on next post ......
9/7/2026 3:22 PM and finally....


B. Genealogical inferences (not directly stated)**

Estimated DoB
Deceased's approximate birth year: **c. 1803** (42 years before 1845) — age reporting in these registers is often approximate.
Witnesses' approximate birth years: Bryż c. 1787; Zaum c. 1811 — likewise approximate.

Patronymics & Surnames:
While the document assigns the surname *Mink* to Marja and her parents (Lejba and Małka), surname adoption among Polish Jews became widespread/standardized following the 1821 Napoleonic Code mandates. *Mink* could be an established hereditary surname or a patronymic variant used administratively.
Surname spelling variants ("Minz"/"Minc," "Landa"/"Land") are typical of the period's inconsistent transliteration and may appear differently in other records for the same family.

Relatives
No children mentioned — this is not evidence either way, since a death record of this type would not necessarily list surviving children.
The witnesses are not stated to be relatives; more likely community members fulfilling the legal requirement for two witnesses.

Family Roots & Mobility:

The deceased's late husband was a leaseholder in nearby Turkowice, suggesting a rural agricultural/estate employment connection, whereas her parents were associated with the town of Hrubieszów proper.
Likely **born in Hrubieszów** (parents' residence) and relocated to **Turkowice** upon marriage — inferred from context, not stated outright.

For the record: I don't speak/read polish; I am not a genealogist ; I simply have an interest in AI tools and have been experimenting ......

Dave



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